
Minister Fitzgerald spoke about emigration and a more hopeful future in Ireland.
Ireland’s new minister for children, Frances Fitzgerald, has responded to a range issues of concern to the expat community in Australia in an interview with the Irish Echo.
Ms Fitzgerald visited Sydney, Canberra and Christchurch last week. In what is a tradition for Irish Government ministers who come to Sydney, Frances Fitzgerald visited the Irish Australian Welfare Bureau (IAWB), the Bondi not-for-profit group that helps the Irish Australian community.
We asked what were her impressions of their work.
“There’s always a range of social issues that any emigrant group find themselves confronted by. While an embassy or consular staff do a certain amount, what those groups do nobody else can do. It was very interesting to speak to them about the traditional challenges that they face.
“As an Irish Government minister, I don’t want to see any young people in a situation where they feel they don’t have a choice about coming [to Australia], or that they’re driven because they cannot find work at home.
“That’s why we’re introducing a jobs budget as one of the first things the new government will be doing, to take action and create an environment where jobs will be created again so that people aren’t under pressure to leave.”
With Australia receiving just three per cent of emigrant funding from the Irish Government last year, the Irish Echo asked if the new government would maintain IAWB’s level of funding.
“At the moment we have to be very financially strict … so we’re not going to make false promises. But as the situation changes here with Irish immigration, as you have greater numbers, obviously the support system has to reflect and support those needs.
“If the needs get greater then you have to look at the funding again and make sure that it’s realistic and does the job it’s meant to do. But on anything about funding, we’re not going to lie to people. We’re going to be very open with people.”
Asked if there was scope for the Irish and Australian governments to negotiate a new reciprocal visa deal, Ms Fitzgerald said she would favour “high-quality information” for Irish citizens.
“At this stage what I think is most important, given that there are a lot of opportunities in Australia and that the economy is doing well and there are skills shortages – and given that we have those skills – I think a matching is necessary. I don’t think it needs an agreement at government level, necessarily.
“I think what’s more needed is high-quality information. I think we do have to build that, more so people who are going to come out here really understand what’s available, do the preliminary work and investigation beforehand, and that there isn’t a false idea that you just arrive and there’s a job.
“I say all this in the context of us wanting to have jobs at home for our young people.”
In response to the suggestion that emigration was in fact helping reduce the burden on Ireland’s social welfare system, the minister said that was “not a road you would ever want to go down”.
“You would never wish, ever, for any reason …that your young talented population would leave the country, or felt pressurised to do it.
“I’m a mother of three young men and the idea that the country of their birth cannot offer them opportunity is a terrible condemnation. That’s why the people have replaced the government and are looking for a fresh start.”
She said young people who had come here were getting a great opportunity and she hoped they would bring new skills back to Ireland.
“We have to look at the opportunity that all these young people who are coming to Australia are getting. What I would like to think about is the skills that they will develop here, and come back. I think many people will come back who have emigrated during this period, as our economy begins to grow, as we create jobs and get a handle on our finances.”
Would the government look at the habitual residency stipulation, that has led to an increase in returning emigrants – from non-EU countries – being ineligible for welfare?
“We have agreements within the EU – of free movement, of people – and reciprocal arrangements in relation to social welfare,” Ms Fitzgerald said.
“If you’re outside of that, even though you’re an Irish citizen, you don’t have automatic rights. But our system is flexible enough to look at these cases, individually, and if people are assessed to be in need they can be responded to.”
She said there was no easy way to change the habitual residency rule, but stressed that the government’s proposed universal healthcare legislation would be open to all.
“It’s not easy to see that being resolved because much of the social welfare system is based on having made a contribution in the country, but there is flexibility in it.”
The minister said she was open to hearing people’s experiences regarding post-nuptial citizenship. The present rules require Irish citizens’ marriage partners to live for three consecutive years in Ireland before they can be even considered for citizenship.
“I think the moving is the important thing. If they have the right to work … I don’t see it as a huge disincentive. But I would be open to hearing people’s experiences about that.”
Asked for more detail about proposals to extend voting in presidential elections to Irish citizens living abroad, she said: “It’s hard not to feel an empathy with it. It’s a sign that people are committed to the country and want to be committed and that’s really important.
“Obviously, we have had an [emigrant voting] campaign over long periods. What I think has been missing is a rigorous analysis of what it actually means and how you would implement it.”
Conducting a pilot test around presidential elections would be a “good place to start” and more detail would emerge during the constitutional convention, she said.
The success of any pilot test was likely to be measured on “the ability of embassies around the world to reach out to the numbers of Irish citizens there and to see what the take-up would be”. She said it would have to be examined after that and stressed the complexities of that enfranchisement.
“I don’t think it’s simple. It’s very easy to have the phrase ‘votes for emigrants’ and I completely empathise with what’s behind it and the emotional and practical connection that people want to have, but I think to move to implementing something around it … we would have to tease it out.”
The minister was asked if the Sydney Consulate was safe from public sector cuts.
“I believe it will be. Take the very fact that Australia has been prioritised as one of nine countries for St Patrick’s Day. I know that’s a specific event but it is symbolic of an approach to the country and symbolic of the approach to the valuing of the work that’s being done here, and of the potential for linking trade and investment.”
New links were being forged between the two countries.
She and Prime Minister Julia Gillard had discussed educational opportunities for more Australians to study in Ireland.
On broader reform in Ireland, she admitted disappointment with the low number of women in the cabinet.
Ms Fitzgerald, chairwoman of the National Women’s Council from 1988 to 1992, said the presence of only two female ministers in the new government was a reflection of low numbers throughout the Dáil.
“Unless you address that issue you won’t get the greater numbers proportionally in Cabinet either and that’s why I have personally believed in positive activity in getting more women in.” Such activity would include support for quotas.
The Dáil’s gender imbalance, among other issues, was a sign that Ireland remains an “unfinished democracy”, she said, adding that the government had already committed to a programme of reform.
Adoption falls under the auspices of Ms Fitzgerald’s new ministry.
The Irish Echo asked if she would push to make available files relating to de facto, or illegal, adoptions.
“I’ve very strong views on this. I think we have taken far too conservative approach in Ireland to adoption. I worked in London in adoption, maybe 15 years ago, and there was a more open system of adoption there. The tracing systems were better,” she said.
“I think we’re a bit punitive on people still. We probably over worried although I totally understand that people who gave children up for adoption and expected privacy, that you can’t suddenly break that dramatically.
“If the right systems were in place more people would be able to find their birth parents and it would be easier for them,” she concluded.
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